Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you watch Pierce and Maxey's car go through the line of newsmen? Chief BATCHELOR. I saw it. I wasn't---- Mr. GRIFFIN. Were you paying any attention? Chief BATCHELOR. Not particularly. I do remember seeing it. Mr. GRIFFIN. After Pierce and Maxey's car broke through the line of newsmen, what do you remember next happening? Chief BATCHELOR. I remember backing these or pulling up these two detective cars that were to carry Oswald, and one detective pulled up here a little ways, and he had to pull up a little further so this one could get up, and they then backed up. And this one had hardly gotten in place, barely had stopped, when somebody shouted, "Here he comes." Mr. GRIFFIN. All right, now, are you sure--how certain are you that these two detective cars pulled out after Pierce and Maxey? Chief BATCHELOR. I don't think Pierce and Maxey could have gotten out with those two detective cars where they were. Mr. GRIFFIN. Sounds pretty good to me. Chief BATCHELOR. While they were in place, they couldn't have pulled around here, because they were blocking this entrance here. Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. Now, who drove those two detective cars? Chief BATCHELOR. I don't recall. Men out of the Homicide Bureau, but I don't know which ones. Mr. GRIFFIN. Are they listed in this report, do you recall? Chief BATCHELOR. I don't think they are listed in that report. I am pretty sure they are not. Mr. GRIFFIN. Detective Brown? Chief BATCHELOR. Where do you see that? Mr. GRIFFIN. It is on page 32. "Stevenson then proceeded across the driveway to the entrance to the garage where Detective C. W. Brown, driving one car, and Detective Dhority, driving the second car, was preparing to pull the cars behind the armored car." Do you remember Brown or Dhority walking to the cars in the basement? Chief BATCHELOR. I wasn't directing my attention to them at the moment they did that. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know or have you heard whether they were sitting in those cars for a long period of time, or a few minutes, or whether they---- Chief BATCHELOR. I don't know, but I imagine so. I think they came down for that express purpose, after this plan was changed. Mr. GRIFFIN. Where were you standing as the rear car--that is, the car closest to the exit from the jail office---- Chief BATCHELOR. I was standing over in here. Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you place an "X" on the map where you were standing? Chief BATCHELOR. Well, I don't remember exactly where I was standing at the time that they pulled those cars up, but I think I was standing over here, and then moved to this position as they were backing in, because I had been talking to Chief Stevenson just about that time, and we were talking right up in here. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now at the time you heard the shots fired, would you place on this map where these two automobiles were and where you were standing?