Mr. LEAVELLE. Yes. Mr. HUBERT. And Ruby came in later? Mr. LEAVELLE. He came in just about closing time, and she probably had called him, because he already knew that we were out here. Of course, I just am assuming she had probably already called him. He didn’t seem particular perturbed about it at that time. Mr. HUBERT. Did you recognize Ruby right away when he came out of the crowd? Mr. LEAVELLE. I recognized him as someone that I knew, but I was unable to call his name. Mr. HUBERT. Just describe in your own words how the whole thing happened, what you saw from the time you left the jail door? Mr. LEAVELLE. From the time we left the jail door? Mr. HUBERT. Yes; push it back a little further. From the time you left the jail cell. Mr. LEAVELLE. All right, when we left the jail cell, we proceeded down to the booking desk there, up to the door leading out into the basement, and I purposely told Mr. Graves to hold it a minute while Captain Fritz checked the area outside. I don’t know why I did that, because we had not made any plans to do so, but I said, “Let’s hold it a minute and let him see if everything is in order.” Because we had been given to understand that the car would be across the passageway. Mr. HUBERT. Of the jail corridor? Mr. LEAVELLE. And that--and we would have nothing to do but walk straight from the door, approximately 13 or 14 feet to the car and then Captain Fritz--when we asked him to give us the high sign on it he said, “Everything is all set.” Mr. HUBERT. Did you notice what time it was? Mr. LEAVELLE. No; I did not. That is the only error that I can see. The captain should have known that the car was not in the position it should be, and I was surprised when I walked to the door and the car was not in the spot it should have been, but I could see it was in back, and backing into position, but had it been in position where we were told it would be, that would have eliminated a lot of the area in which anyone would have access to him, because it would have been blocked by the car. In fact, if the car had been sitting where we were told it was going to be, see--it would have been sitting directly upon the spot where Ruby was standing when he fired the shot. Mr. HUBERT. Of course, in that case the television cameras would have been blocked out? Mr. LEAVELLE. That’s true. Mr. HUBERT. The car was not pulled back because pulling it back would block the---- Mr. LEAVELLE. That, I don’t know. Of course, you are--according to one of my previous reports I earlier suggested to Captain Fritz that we make the suggestion to the chief that we take him out to the first floor and put him out at Main Street to a car and proceed to the county jail that way and leave them waiting in the basement and on Commerce Street, and we could be to the county jail before anyone knew what was taking place. Mr. HUBERT. What time did you make that suggestion, sir?