The English works of Thomas Hobbes of Malmesbury, Volume 05 (of 11)
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First, instead of my words, “a signification that we expect nothing but
from him,” he hath put “a signification that we expect it from him”.
There is much difference between my words and his, in the sense and
meaning; for in the one, there is honour ascribed to God, and humility
in him that prayeth; but in the other, presumption in him that prayeth,
and a detraction from the honour of God. When I say, prayer is not a
cause nor a means, I take _cause_ and _means_ in one and the same sense;
affirming that God is not moved by any thing that we do, but has always
one and the same eternal purpose, to do the same things that from
eternity he hath foreknown shall be done; and methinks there can be no
doubt made thereof. But the Bishop allegeth (2 Cor. i. 11): that “St.
Paul was helped by their prayers, and that the gift was bestowed upon
them by their means;” and (James v. 16): “The effectual and fervent
prayer of a righteous man availeth much”. In which places, the words
_means_, _effectual_, _availeth_, do not signify any causation; for no
man nor creature living can work any effect upon God, in whom there is
nothing, that hath not been in him eternally heretofore, nor that shall
not be in him eternally hereafter; but do signify the order in which God
hath placed men’s prayers and his own blessings. And not much after, the
Bishop himself saith, “prayer works not upon God, but us”. Therefore, it
is no cause of God’s will, in giving us his blessings, but is properly a
sign, not a procuration of his favour.
The next thing he replieth to is, that I make prayer to be a kind of
thanksgiving; to which he replies, “he might even as well tell me, that
when a beggar craves an alms, and when he gives thanks for it, it is all
one.” Why so? Does not a beggar move a man by his prayer, and sometime
worketh in him a compassion not without pain, and as the Scripture calls
it, a yearning of the bowels; which is not so in God, when we pray to
him? Our prayer to God is a duty; it is not so to man. Therefore, though
our prayers to man be distinguished from our thanks, it is not necessary
it should be so in our prayers and thanks to God Almighty.
To the rest of his reply, in this No. XV, there needs no further answer.
NO. XVI.
[Sidenote: The Bishop’s reply.]
_J. D._ “Fourthly, the order, beauty, and perfection of the world doth
require that in the universe should be agents of all sorts, some
necessary, some free, some contingent. He that shall make, either all
things necessary, guided by destiny; or all things free, governed by
election; or all things contingent, happening by chance: doth overthrow
the beauty and the perfection of the world.”