The English works of Thomas Hobbes of Malmesbury, Volume 05 (of 11)
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(_e_) “Then he betakes himself to his old help, that God may punish by
right of omnipotence, though there were no sin. The question is not, now
what God may do, but what God will do, according to that covenant which
he hath made with man, _Fac hoc et vives_, _do this and thou shalt
live_.” It is plain (to let pass that he puts punishment where I put
affliction, making a true sentence false) that if a man do this he shall
live, and he may do this if he will. In this the Bishop and I disagree
not. This therefore is not the question; but whether the will to do
this, or not to do this, be in a man’s own election. Whereas he adds,
‘he that wills not the death of a sinner, doth much less will the death
of an innocent creature’; he had forgot for awhile, that both good and
evil men are by the will of God all mortal; but presently corrects
himself, and says, he means by death, eternal torments, that is to say,
eternal life, but in torments; to which I have answered once before in
this book, and spoken much more amply in another book, to which the
Bishop hath inclination to make an answer, as appeareth by his epistle
to the reader. That which followeth to the end of this number, hath been
urged and answered already divers times; I therefore pass it over.
NO. XVIII.
[Sidenote: The Bishop’s reply.]
_J. D._ “But the patrons of necessity being driven out of the plain
field with reason, have certain retreats or distinctions which they fly
unto for refuge. First, they distinguish between Stoical necessity and
Christian necessity, between which they make a threefold difference.
“First, say they, the Stoics did subject Jupiter to destiny, but we
subject destiny to God. I answer, that the Stoical and Christian destiny
are one and the same; _Fatum, quasi effatum Jovis_. Hear Seneca:
_Destiny is the necessity of all things and actions depending upon the
disposition of Jupiter_, &c. I add, that the Stoics left a greater
liberty to Jupiter over destiny, than these stoical Christians do to God
over his decrees, either for the beginnings of things, as Euripides, or
for the progress of them, as Chrysippus, or at least of the
circumstances of time and place, as all of them generally. So Virgil:
_Sed trahere et moras ducere_, &c. So Osyris in Apuleius, promiseth him
to prolong his life, _ultra fato constituta tempora_, beyond the times
set down by the destinies.