"Yes; but in general. You must see the identity of the two things for good or for bad. If people reverence men's art and feel their sacrifices are worth while, to _themselves_, as well as to other people, they must not just _pity_ the art of women. It doesn't matter to women. But it's so jolly bad for men, to go about feeling lonely and superior. Men, and the women who imitate them, bleat about women 'finding their truest fulfilment in _self-sacrifice_.' In speaking of male art it is called _self-realisation_. That's men all over. They get an illuminating theory--man must die, to live--and apply it only to themselves. If a theory is true, you may be sure it applies in a most thorough-going way to women. They don't stop dead at self-sacrifice. They reap ... freedom. Self-realisation. Emancipation. Lots of women hold back. Just as men do--from exacting careers. _I_ do. _I_ don't want to exercise the feminine art." "It's true you don't compete or exploit yourself, Miriam." "Some women want to be men. And the contrary, men wanting to be women, is almost unknown. This is supposed to be evidence of the superiority of the masculine state. It isn't. Women only want to be men before they begin their careers. It's a longing for exemptions. Young women envy men, as young men, faced with the hard work of life, envy dogs." "Harsh Miriam." "It's true. At any rate it's deserved, after all men have said. And I believe it's _true_." "Pugilistic Miriam.... Your atmospheric idea is quite illuminating. I think there's some truth in it; and I'd be with you altogether but for one ... damning ... yes, I think absolutely damning, _fact_." "Well?" "The men women will marry. The men quite fine, intelligent women marry; and _idolise_, my dear Miriam." "Many artists have to use any material that comes to hand. The treatment is the thing." "Treatment that mistakes putty for marble, my dear Miriam----" "And you don't see that you are proving my point. Women _see_ things when they are not there. That's creativeness. What is meant by women 'making' men." "They don't. They'll make idols of nothing at all; and go on burning incense--all their lives." "I don't believe women are _ever_ deceived about their husbands. But they don't give up hope. And there's something in everybody. That's what women see." "Nonsense, Miriam. Girls, with quite good brains and abilities will marry anything; accept its views and quote them."