Plato and the Other Companions of Sokrates, 3rd ed. Volume 2 — Plato — John Shaqi
Plato and the Other Companions of Sokrates, 3rd ed. Volume 2
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Comparison of Archelaus, usurping despot of Macedonia--Polus
affirms that Archelaus is happy, and that every one thinks
so--Sokrates admits that every one thinks so, but nevertheless
denies it 325
Sokrates maintains--1. That it is a greater evil to do
wrong, than to suffer wrong. 2. That if a man has done wrong, it is
better for him to be punished than to remain unpunished 326
Sokrates offers proof--Definition of Pulchrum and
Turpe--Proof of the first point 327
Proof of the second point _ib._
The criminal labours under a mental distemper, which
though not painful, is a capital evil. Punishment is the only cure
for him. To be punished is best for him 328
Misery of the Despot who is never punished. If our friend
has done wrong, we ought to get him punished: if our enemy, we ought
to keep him unpunished 329
Argument of Sokrates paradoxical--Doubt expressed by
Kalliklês whether he means it seriously 330
Principle laid down by Sokrates--That every one acts with
a view to the attainment of happiness and avoidance of misery _ib._
Peculiar view taken by Plato of Good--Evil--Happiness 331
Contrast of the usual meaning of these words, with the
Platonic meaning _ib._
Examination of the proof given by Sokrates--Inconsistency
between the general answer of Polus and his previous
declarations--Law and Nature 332
The definition of Pulchrum and Turpe, given by Sokrates,
will not hold 334
Worse or better--for whom? The argument of Sokrates does
not specify. If understood in the sense necessary for his inference,
the definition would be inadmissible _ib._
Plato applies to every one a standard of happiness and
misery peculiar to himself. His view about the conduct of Archelaus
is just, but he does not give the true reasons for it 335
If the reasoning of Plato were true, the point of view in
which punishment is considered would be reversed 336
Plato pushes too far the analogy between mental distemper
and bodily distemper--Material difference between the two--Distemper
must be felt by the distempered persons 337
Kalliklês begins to argue against Sokrates--he takes a
distinction between Just by Law and Just by nature--Reply of
Sokrates, that there is no variance between the two, properly
understood 338
What Kalliklês says is not to be taken as a sample of the
teachings of Athenian sophists. Kalliklês--rhetor and politician 339
Uncertainty of referring to Nature as an authority. It may
be pleaded in favour of opposite theories. The theory of Kalliklês is
made to appear repulsive by the language in which he expresses it 340
Sokrates maintains that self-command and moderation is
requisite for the strong man as well as for others. Kalliklês defends
the negative 343
Whether the largest measure of desires is good for a man,
provided he has the means of satisfying them? Whether all varieties
of desire are good? Whether the pleasurable and the good are
identical? 344