Plato and the Other Companions of Sokrates, 3rd ed. Volume 2 — Plato — John Shaqi
Plato and the Other Companions of Sokrates, 3rd ed. Volume 2
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duties, which the wife does not know, how can there be unanimity
between the two? _Alk._--No: there cannot be. _Sokr._--Nor
friendship, if unanimity and friendship go together?
_Alk._--Apparently there cannot. _Sokr._--Then when men and women
each perform their own special duties, there can be no friendship
between them. Nor can a city be well administered, when each citizen
performs his own special duties? or (which is the same thing) when
each citizen acts justly? _Alk._--Not so: I think there may be
friendship, when each person performs his or her own business.
_Sokr._--Just now you said the reverse. What is this friendship
or unanimity which we must understand and realise, in order to become
good men?
[Footnote 17: Plato, Alkib. i. p. 125 B.
[Greek: O( au)to\s a)/ra tou/tô| ge tô=| lo/gô| kako/s te kai\
a)gatho/s.]
Plato slides unconsciously here, as in other parts of his reasonings,
_à dicto secundum quid, ad dictum simpliciter_.]
[Footnote 18: Plato, Alkib. i. p. 126 A. [Greek: ti/ de/? ê)\n su\
kalei=s eu)bouli/an, ei)s ti/ e)stin?] _Alk._ [Greek: Ei)s to\
a)/meinon tê\n po/lin dioikei=n kai\ sô/zesthai.] _Sokr._
[Greek: A)meinon de\ dioikei=tai kai\ sô/zetai ti/nos paragignome/nou
ê)\ a)pogignomenou?]]
[Side-note: Alkibiades, puzzled and humiliated, confesses his
ignorance. Encouragement given by Sokrates. It is an advantage to
make such discovery in youth.]
_Alk._--In truth, I am puzzled myself to say. I find myself in a
state of disgraceful ignorance, of which I had no previous suspicion.
_Sokr._--Do not be discouraged. If you had made this discovery
when you were fifty years old, it would have been too late for taking
care of yourself and applying a remedy: but at your age, it is the
right time for making the discovery. _Alk._--What am I to do,
now that I have made it? _Sokr._--You must answer my questions.
If my auguries are just, we shall soon be both of us better for the
process.[19]
[Footnote 19: Plato, Alkib. i. 127 D-E. _Alk._ [Greek: A)lla\
ma\ tou\s theou/s, ou)d' au)to\s oi)=da o(/ ti le/gô, kinduneu/ô de\
kai\ pa/lai lelêthe/nai e)mauto\n ai)/schist' e)/chôn.]
_Sokr._ [Greek: A)lla\ chrê\ thar)r(ei=n; ei) me\n ga\r au)to\
ê)=|sthou peponthô\s pentêkontae/tês, chalepo\n a)\n ê)=n soi
e)pimelêthê=nai sautou=; nu=n de\ ê)\n e)/cheis ê(liki/an, au)/tê
e)sti/n, e)n ê(=| dei= au)to\ ai)sthe/sthai.]
_Alk._ [Greek: Ti/ ou)=n to\n ai(stho/menon chrê\ poiei=n?]
_Sokr._ [Greek: _A)pokri/nesthai ta\ e)rôtô/mena_, kai\
e)a\n tou=to poiê=|s, a)\n theo\s e)the/lê|, ei)/ ti dei= kai\ tê=|
e)mê=| mantei/a| pisteu/ein, su/ te ka)gô\ beltio/nôs schê/somen.]]
[Side-note: Platonic Dialectic--its actual effect--its
anticipated effect--applicable to the season of youth.]