The dialogues of Plato in five volumes, Vol. 2 (of 5) : $b Translated into English with analyses and introductions — Plato — John Shaqi
The dialogues of Plato in five volumes, Vol. 2 (of 5) : $b Translated into English with analyses and introductions
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_Soc._ Then consider the matter in this way:—Imagine that
I am about to play truant (you may call the proceeding by
any name which you like), and the laws and the government
come and interrogate me: ‘Tell us, Socrates,’ they say;
‘what are you about? are you not going by an act of yours
to overturn us—the laws, and the whole state, as far as in
you lies? Do you imagine that a state can subsist and not
be overthrown, in which the decisions of law have no power,
but are set aside and trampled upon by individuals?’ What
will be our answer, Crito, to these and the like words?
Any one, and especially a rhetorician, will have a good deal
to say on behalf of the law which requires a sentence to be
carried out. He will argue that this law should not be set
aside; and shall we reply, ‘Yes; but the state has injured us
and given an unjust sentence.’ Suppose I say that?
[Sidenote: _The address of the Laws._]
_Cr._ Very good, Socrates.
[Sidenote: Has he any fault to find with them?]
[Sidenote: No man has any right to strike a blow at his country any more
than at his father or mother.]
_Soc._ ‘And was that our agreement with you?’ the law
would answer; ‘or were you to abide by the sentence of the
state?’ And if I were to express my astonishment at their
words, the law would probably add: ‘Answer, Socrates,
instead of opening your eyes—you are in the habit of asking
and answering questions. Tell us,—What complaint have
you to make against us which justifies you in attempting to
destroy us and the state? In the first place did we not
bring you into existence? Your father married your mother
by our aid and begat you. Say whether you have any objection
to urge against those of us who regulate marriage?’
None, I should reply. ‘Or against those of us who after
birth regulate the nurture and education of children, in
which you also were trained? Were not the laws, which
have the charge of education, right in commanding your
father to train you in music and gymnastic?’ Right, I
should reply. Well then, since you were brought into the
world and nurtured and educated by us, can you deny in the
first place that you are our child and slave, as your fathers
were before you? And, if this is true you are not on equal
terms with us; nor can you think that you have a right to do
to us what we are doing to you. Would you have any right
to strike or revile or do any other evil to your father or your
master, if you had one, because you have been struck or
reviled by him, or received some other evil at his hands?—you
would not say this? And because we think right to 51
destroy you, do you think that you have any right to destroy
us in return, and your country as far as in you lies? Will
you, O professor of true virtue, pretend that you are justified