The dialogues of Plato in five volumes, Vol. 2 (of 5) : $b Translated into English with analyses and introductions — Plato — John Shaqi
The dialogues of Plato in five volumes, Vol. 2 (of 5) : $b Translated into English with analyses and introductions
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_Soc._ And that is the line which the learned call the diagonal.
And if this is the proper name, then you, Meno’s
slave, are prepared to affirm that the double space is the
square of the diagonal?
_Boy._ Certainly, Socrates.
_Soc._ What do you say of him, Meno? Were not all these
answers given out of his own head?
_Men._ Yes, they were all his own.
_Soc._ And yet, as we were just now saying, he did not
know?
_Men._ True.
_Soc._ But still he had in him those notions of his—had he
not?
_Men._ Yes.
_Soc._ Then he who does not know may still have true
notions of that which he does not know?
_Men._ He has.
[Sidenote: At present he is in a dream; he will soon grow clearer.]
_Soc._ And at present these notions have just been stirred up
in him, as in a dream; but if he were frequently asked the
same questions, in different forms, he would know as well as
any one at last?
_Men._ I dare say.
_Soc._ Without any one teaching him he will recover his
knowledge for himself, if he is only asked questions?
_Men._ Yes.
_Soc._ And this spontaneous recovery of knowledge in him is
recollection?
_Men._ True.
_Soc._ And this knowledge which he now has must he not
either have acquired or always possessed?
_Men._ Yes.
[Sidenote: _Socrates is more confident of some things than of others._]
[Sidenote: Either this knowledge was acquired by him in a former state of
existence, or was always known to him.]
_Soc._ But if he always possessed this knowledge he would
always have known; or if he has acquired the knowledge he
could not have acquired it in this life, unless he has been
taught geometry; for he may be made to do the same with
all geometry and every other branch of knowledge. Now,
has any one ever taught him all this? You must know about
him, if, as you say, he was born and bred in your house.
_Men._ And I am certain that no one ever did teach him.
_Soc._ And yet he has the knowledge?
_Men._ The fact, Socrates, is undeniable.
_Soc._ But if he did not acquire the knowledge in this life,
then he must have had and learned it at some other time? 86
_Men._ Clearly he must.
_Soc._ Which must have been the time when he was not a
man?
_Men._ Yes.
_Soc._ And if there have been always true thoughts in him,
both at the time when he was and was not a man, which only
need to be awakened into knowledge by putting questions to
him, his soul must have always possessed this knowledge, for
he always either was or was not a man?
_Men._ Obviously.
_Soc._ And if the truth of all things always existed in the
soul, then the soul is immortal. Wherefore be of good
cheer, and try to recollect what you do not know, or rather
what you do not remember.
_Men._ I feel, somehow, that I like what you are saying.