The works of Plato (Vol. 1 of 6) : $b A new and literal version chiefly from the text of Stallbaum — Plato — John Shaqi
The works of Plato (Vol. 1 of 6) : $b A new and literal version chiefly from the text of Stallbaum
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_Socr._ And if beautiful, then good; for _that which is beautiful_ is
either pleasant or useful.
_Pol._ Necessarily so.
_Socr._ He therefore who is punished suffers that which is good.
_Pol._ So it seems.
72. _Socr._ He is therefore benefited.
_Pol._ Yes.
_Socr._ Is it with such a benefit as I suppose? Does he become better as
to his soul, since he is chastised justly?
_Pol._ That is probable.
_Socr._ He, therefore, who is punished is freed from a vice of the soul.
_Pol._ Yes.
_Socr._ Is he not freed, then, from the greatest evil? Consider the
matter thus: in the condition of a man’s property do you perceive any
other evil than poverty?
_Pol._ No other than poverty.
_Socr._ Well, in the constitution of the body? would you say that
weakness, disease, deformity, and the like, are evils?
_Pol._ I should.
_Socr._ Do you not think, too, that there is a certain depravity in the
soul?
_Pol._ How otherwise?
_Socr._ Do you not then call this injustice, ignorance, cowardice, and
the like?
_Pol._ Certainly.
_Socr._ Have you not said, then, that of these three, property, body,
and soul, there are three corresponding evils, poverty, disease,
injustice?
_Pol._ Yes.
_Socr._ Then which of these evils is the most base? Is it not injustice,
and, in a word, the depravity of the soul?
_Pol._ By far.
_Socr._ But, if it is most base, then is it not also the worst?
_Pol._ How mean you, Socrates?
73. _Socr._ Thus. In every case, that which is most base is so because,
from what has been before admitted, it occasions the greatest pain, or
harm, or both.
_Pol._ By all means.
_Socr._ But injustice and the whole depravity of the soul, have been
just now admitted by us to be most base.
_Pol._ They have been so admitted.
_Socr._ Is it not, therefore, the most troublesome and most base of
these _depravities_, because it exceeds either in troublesomeness or
hurtfulness, or both?
_Pol._ Necessarily so.
_Socr._ Is then the being unjust, intemperate, cowardly, and ignorant,
more painful than to be poor and diseased?
_Pol._ It does not appear so to me, Socrates, from what has been said.
_Socr._ The depravity of the soul, then, is the most base of all,
because it exceeds the others by some extraordinarily great harm and
wonderful evil, since, according to your argument, it is not exceeded in
painfulness.
_Pol._ So it appears.
_Socr._ But, surely, that which exceeds in the greatest harmfulness must
be the greatest evil of all?
_Pol._ Yes.
_Socr._ Then injustice, intemperance, and the other depravities of the
soul, are the greatest evils of all.
_Pol._ So it appears.
74. _Socr._ What art, then, frees from poverty? Is it not that of
money-making?
_Pol._ Yes.
_Socr._ What, from disease? Is it not the medicinal?
_Pol._ Necessarily so.
_Socr._ What, from depravity and injustice? If in this way you cannot
readily answer, consider it thus: whither, and to whom, do we take those
that are diseased in body?
_Pol._ To physicians, Socrates.