The works of Plato (Vol. 1 of 6) : $b A new and literal version chiefly from the text of Stallbaum
Plato · en
37. “And that you may not think that you are deceived, _when you are
told_ that in reality all men are of opinion that every one partakes of
justice, and of the other political excellences, take this additional
proof. For in other kinds of excellence, as you say, if any one asserts
that he is a good flute-player, or skilled in any other art, of which he
is ignorant, they either ridicule him, or are indignant, and his friends
go to him and admonish him as a madman; but in justice and other
political virtues, even though they know of any man that he is unjust,
yet if he himself tells the truth of himself in the presence of many
persons, what in the other case they considered prudence, to speak the
truth, in this case _they consider_ madness; and they say that all men
ought to say they are just, whether they are so or not, or that he is
mad who does not lay claim to justice, because it is necessary that
every one should, in some respect, partake of it, or no longer be a man.
38. “I say these things to shew that they very properly permit every man
to give advice concerning this virtue, because they think that every one
partakes of it. But that men think that it exists not naturally or
spontaneously, but that it is taught and acquired by study, by
whomsoever it is acquired, this I will in the next place endeavour to
shew. For whatever evils men think others respectively have by nature or
fortune no one is angry with, nor admonishes, or teaches, or punishes
the possessors of them, in order to make them otherwise than they are,
but pity them. For instance, who would be so foolish as to attempt to do
any of these things to the deformed, or the little, or the weak? For
they know, I think, that these things, such as are beautiful and the
contraries, happen to men by nature and fortune: but such advantages as
they think result to men from study, practice, and instruction, if any
one does not possess them but their contrary evils, for these things
anger, and punishment, and admonition, are had recourse to: of these one
is injustice, and so is impiety, and in short, every thing that is
contrary to political virtue. Here, then, every man is angry with and
admonishes every other, clearly because he thinks it may be acquired by
study and instruction. 39. For if you will consider, Socrates, of what
avail it is to punish those who act unjustly, this very thing will teach
you that men think virtue is to be acquired. For no one punishes those
who act unjustly, merely attending to this and for this reason, that any
one has so acted, unless it be one who like a brute avenges himself
irrationally; but he who endeavours to punish with reason, does not
exact vengeance for the sake of past offence, (for what has been done he
cannot make undone,) but for the sake of the future, that neither this
man himself, nor any other who sees him punished, may again act
unjustly. And he who entertains such a thought must think that virtue