The works of Plato (Vol. 1 of 6) : $b A new and literal version chiefly from the text of Stallbaum — Plato — John Shaqi
The works of Plato (Vol. 1 of 6) : $b A new and literal version chiefly from the text of Stallbaum
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“So it appears.”
“Do you remember, however, that we before admitted that folly is
contrary to wisdom?”
He allowed it.
“And that one thing only is contrary to one?”
“I grant it.”
58. “Which, then, of these positions must we retract, Protagoras? That
which says, that one thing only is contrary to one, or that in which it
was asserted, that wisdom is different from temperance, but that each is
a part of virtue, and that besides being different, both they and their
functions are dissimilar, in the same manner as the parts of the face?
Which of these, then, must we retract? for these two positions taken
together are not set down in a very musical manner; for they neither
accord, nor harmonize with each other. For how can they accord, since it
is necessary that one thing only should be contrary to one, but not to
more, but wisdom and temperance are found to be contrary to folly, which
is one. Is it so, Protagoras,” I asked, “or otherwise?”
He admitted that it was so, though very unwillingly.
“Must not, then, temperance and wisdom be one and the same thing?
Before, moreover, justice and holiness were found to be nearly the same.
59. Come, however,” said I, “Protagoras, let us not be disheartened, but
examine the rest. Does a man who acts unjustly, appear to you to be
prudent[99], because he acts unjustly?”
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Footnote 99:
As was before observed, it is now necessary for the thread of the
argument to use the word _prudent_ instead of _temperate_, but the
reader must bear in mind that in the original the two ideas are
expressed by one word.
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“I should be ashamed, Socrates,” he said, “to acknowledge this, though
many men do say so.”
“Whether, then, shall I address my argument to them,” I asked, “or to
you?”
“If you please,” said he, “discuss this statement first, the statement
of the many.”
“But it makes no difference to me, if only you will answer, whether
these things appear so to you or not: for I am most anxious to sift the
statement itself, though it may possibly happen, that both I who
question, and you who answer, may ourselves be sifted.”
At first, then, Protagoras began to give himself airs, for he objected
that the subject was difficult; afterwards however, he agreed to answer.
60. “Come then,” said I, “answer me from the beginning. Do persons who
act unjustly, appear to you to be prudent?”
“Be it so,” he replied.
“And by being prudent, do you mean thinking rightly?” He assented.
“And by thinking rightly that they are well advised when they act
unjustly?”
“Be it so,” said he.
“Is this the case,” I asked, “if they fare well in acting unjustly, or
if they fare ill?”
“If they fare well.”
“Do you say then that certain things are good?”
“I do.”
“Are those things good, then,” I asked, “which are advantageous to men?”
“By Jupiter,” said he, “and some things though they are not advantageous
to men I call good.”